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Post by Abbot on Jun 10, 2015 18:06:03 GMT
The AVS has just as much molle with the molle panel and then some. If you put on the open top mag pouch, you have "Three rows on the panel plus three more above on the chest." Whoa, the same amount! Not to mention you now can carry three more mags than the EPC because of the internal kangaroo pouch with the open-top panel. It then has "...three rows around the side" which is even removable if you want to run the rig slick. Underneath these "three rows" is a harness with an additional two rows of molle, essentially giving the ability to mount anything along the harness, and on the inside and outside of the airlite c-bund. On the back panel "there is three rows in the middle and then above." Oh look! That's four more rows of molle than the EPC, not even including if you take advantage of the inside of the airlite c-bund... So in reality the AVS can carry more than the EPC. Counting a PC as simply "having room for anything you carry" is enormously erroneous. Comfort is a VERY HIGH factor what with heat, or just fatigue. The AVS provides miles more comfort than EPC. I say again, miles more comfort. And this is backed up by every single AVS user. I have studied guns and gear for three years or more. I know exactly and precisely what I'm talking about. The AVS beats the EPC hands down. If you don't want to believe me, then you should believe all the SoF operators who have since ditched the EPC and CIRAS and even the JPC for the Crye AVS.   |
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Post by Caesar on Jun 10, 2015 18:56:41 GMT
I didn't say that you don't know what you're talking about. But you do not need to have an attitude of "how dare you not see what I am trying to tell you". It might take you a lot of work to point out certain things, but it is actually harder for someone to see it clearly with the useless interjections.
Really, your description is not matching the pictures where the front top molle and kangaroo pouch is concerned. But stacking on the inside of the airlite c-bund or on the harness underneath strikes me as cumbersome. That integrated pouch panel can easily carry three mags, but a double-stacked triple in molle is six.
It might not be comfortable or have unrelated conveniences, but this is not the point. You don't really need to point out the other advantages. I can see perfectly the value of such already.
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Post by Abbot on Jun 11, 2015 12:29:33 GMT
The description has nothing to do with the pictures, they are there so as to give people something to refer to concerning the airlite c-bund. And if all you have to say is to nitpick about the way I argued my point or that the pictures don't match one of the things that I described, then I think you're running out of things to argue about... And that pouch pannel can be replaced with either the molle pannel (leaving room for a double-stacked triple pouch... so that's six...) And saying that comfort is not the point is ridiculous. We're arguing which is the better PC (though its a known fact that the AVS is superior in every way...) and that doesn't only apply to carrying capability (which the AVS has already won by it's added space) but also to comfort (something you claim "isn't the point", but something soldiers ditch old gear for...) and other conveniences. And if it was "cumbersome", then is wouldn't be used. But the soldiers use it because it is extremely convenient and not cumbersome in the least (I know, I've tried it).
You're arguing with someone who has three years of experience of looking into modern military equipment. It is a known fact that the AVS is superior to the EPC, to argue this is to argue with fact. Now can we please get on with useful discussion rather than pointless debates.
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Post by Spidey on Jun 11, 2015 17:48:16 GMT
I really like this Vest. I will end up getting one.
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TMC AVS
Jun 11, 2015 17:50:24 GMT
via mobile
Post by Abbot on Jun 11, 2015 17:50:24 GMT
Sweet. If I were you, I'd replace pieces of it with the real Crye pieces and eventually have the entire Crye rig... Like upgrading a aeg with higher quality parts little by little.
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Post by Caesar on Jun 11, 2015 18:10:49 GMT
I was nitpicking because I have an issue with it, as is perfectly justified. I am going to point that out so as you are completely aware how other people see your comments.
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Post by Abbot on Jun 11, 2015 18:18:36 GMT
That's kinda off topic, and beside the point Caesar... Enough arguments. Let this peaceful discussion continue.
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Post by Harvester on Jun 11, 2015 22:19:07 GMT
It was an entertaining debate though.  |
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Post by Caesar on Jun 11, 2015 23:02:50 GMT
Yeah, but don't encourage us.  |
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Post by Ecthelion on Jun 12, 2015 16:55:22 GMT
At least the argument is over.
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Post by Spidey on Jun 12, 2015 23:38:31 GMT
I need this vest!!!
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Post by Caesar on Jun 12, 2015 23:43:06 GMT
It's cool but it is the wrong color.
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Post by Ecthelion on Jun 14, 2015 16:36:00 GMT
I think it looks fine, and I don`t think we need to argue over the color.
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Post by Caesar on Jun 14, 2015 18:33:38 GMT
No we don't. I was stating a fact. We decided that the team should have tan gear.
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Post by Ecthelion on Jun 14, 2015 20:04:25 GMT
Well it just seemed like it was the beginning of an argument, sorry if my reply to your first post seemed rude.
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