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Post by Caesar on May 5, 2015 2:36:14 GMT
Uh huh...Batman was really protecting his bank account. He didn't care about the city. But he finally found a way to use his fortune.  |
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Post by Abbot on May 5, 2015 12:55:55 GMT
His money was actually all stolen by Bane... Sorry, man.  |
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Post by Caesar on May 5, 2015 18:59:00 GMT
His life savings in the hands of a mere super-villain? Give me a break. Batman really needs to retire if he can't even watch his wallet! Apology is accepted all the same.
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Post by Abbot on May 5, 2015 21:22:26 GMT
Well, it was more technically stolen by catwoman. She stole his fingerprints, and they were given to dagget, Bane stole them from dsgget. Bane took them to the stock exchange, puts up double or nothing stock, Wayne loses all his money. Lets not mention how a whole team of Avengers let a guy with a techno bow steal a supervillain from a maximum security cell in a maximum secutirty ship in midair... Not to mention keeping the supervillain from escaping from the said cell in the said ship in the said midair...  |
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Post by Predator on May 5, 2015 23:42:47 GMT
Or how about Stark's not having found out Hydra after he just hacked into all their secret files. Or how the Loki's scepter somehow went out of Nick Fury's sight and into Hydra hands... no questions asked. Captain America's flying bomb "happened" to be a dud. Or how Phil was "dead" for eight seconds. Or how the all-powerful Odin gets replaced by Loki. You know, I wonder why it took 4 or 5 different series of movies to make one series good and then build them up to one big movie... and then how it took only one series to match it.
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Post by Caesar on May 6, 2015 19:32:16 GMT
Here's what I have to say.
#1. The guy in question is actually one of the Avengers. A precision team under him could do a lot of damage.
#2. The "secure" midair thing-a-ma-job is totally S.H.I.E.L.D.'s bad.
#3. The Avengers have no idea whose side S.H.I.E.L.D. is on.
The events in this case do not mainly attest the weakness of the Avengers or their lack of security. Ultimately, it is a scenario in which they attain a sense of direction. But the Avengers are getting around to working with each other and for each other. While this is an over complicated plot, one can see redeeming and heroic elements.
Obviously, the existence of Hydra is not something that would be documented. A mere infiltration can reside for quite a long time before coming to light. Loki's scepter was held by S.H.I.E.L.D. in Latveria until the Hydra takeover. Remember that Fury and the rest of the true S.H.I.E.L.D. members had no control over the bases taken over totally by Hydra.
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Post by Spidey on May 8, 2015 3:55:37 GMT
Yeah! If you had taken the time to watch the MARVEL'S "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. series, (which we did) you would know how all of the events involving Hydra had evolved. It led up to the time of the take over, and did a darn good job of explaining it. So we know that S.H.I.E.L.D./Hydra, was not to be trusted with the control of ANYTHING. That means demigod super villains; that means highly destructive walking sticks with a gem that has the power to destroy a planet; and yes, it also means Bruce Wayne' wallet. As for the guy with the bow, he was part of the team, controlling vital inside know-how of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s workings. That's why Loki took control of him. So with an elite squad, he could easily infiltrate his home carrier, and then free one prisoner (who by the way was barely being guarded. So thank you for listening. |
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Post by Predator on May 10, 2015 17:39:54 GMT
I don't necessarily agree with ALL of that, but O.K. How about Iron Man's making Ultron without the team's permission. TWICE!!! To tell you the truth, I think ALL the problems with the Avengers are caused by Stark. And what was that about Wayne's wallet? I wasn't sure what you meant by that? Oh, and actually my sister's watch Agents of Shield so I do get allot of info from them. I have seen a few "good shows" from it, and I don't think it's helping your argument.
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Post by Caesar on May 11, 2015 19:59:16 GMT
The emergence of Ultron was a complete accident. Stark and Banner were working on an analysis project. They created an interface between Jarvis and Ultron. Even though Stark and Banner planned on harnessing the artificial intelligence of Ultron, the process failed. But Ultron hijacked Jarvis' server and programed robot bodies for himself. Ultron was not made by Stark. It didn't happen twice either. The second time, Vision was made and not Ultron. Stark's responsibility for harm done to the Avengers is greatly exaggerated.
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Post by Spidey on May 12, 2015 3:57:13 GMT
Also, he did allot of good as well. like saving them in the hello carrier, or when he saved the entire city of Manhattan from a nuke, OR HOW bout. . . WHEN HE SAVED THE WORLD from a whole city falling down on them. He made up for those mistakes. And unless you watched the whole thing on Agents of Shield, you don't get the full picture at all. Neither your sisters, nor you watched the whole first season. So you could not have gotten the full story.
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Post by Abbot on May 12, 2015 15:26:11 GMT
I'm not going to partake in the argument, but I would like to clarify a few things.
A) The emergence of Ultron was an accident only in the fact that Stark and Banner made the mistake of mis-programming it to believe humans needed protection for their inability and weakness, rather than for their "grace", as the Vision points out. The Vision tells him that he believe Ultron missed the "grace" of the human experience, the human life; if Ultron "missed" something, it was because of his programming. Remember, he was a "programmed" brain. Meaning he could think creatively only in the boundaries set by Banner, and more prominently, Stark. The attempt of Stark was to blend the best of Jarvis and Loki's staff together to create, using the "thinking" function of the staff, and the programming mechanism of Jarvis.
B) it was no analysis. They were seeing if they could create the program, not analyze if they could. And the camera then shows the computer going through multiple "test failed" messages and then finally goes blank when it says "Test Completed" or something like that. Therefore, it did exactly what Stark and Banner intended it to do. And then preceded to hack Jarvis, all from what Stark and Banner created.
C) My sisters did see the whole first season...
Whether Stark did indeed harm the Avengers, I'll let you guys hash it out... You all know my opinion.
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Post by Caesar on May 12, 2015 18:56:18 GMT
They did not show one scene of their programing something. In the holograph scene, there was one scheme showing Jarvis' processes and another showing Ultron's "intelligence". As Banner and Stark were observing, it performed similarly to human neurons. There was also a scene of Ultron's inner dialogue in which we heard him speaking and saw glimpses of mass projected information. The computer for the project said that the test was completed and that the the result was negative. Therefore, the initiative for Ultron's life came from something else, possibly the power of the scepter.
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Post by Abbot on May 12, 2015 19:42:01 GMT
No, there was a shot just before the dialogue between Jarvis and Ultron which said the results were negative, negative, negative, and then a quick positive and the screen goes blank, I don't know if you just missed it or a piece of popcorn was really eluding you but I remember it clear as day. |
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Post by Spidey on May 13, 2015 19:43:03 GMT
You are right on that Abbot, I saw it too. But I'm pretty sure your sister's missed a few episodes.
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Post by Caesar on May 14, 2015 1:25:29 GMT
Ha! There isn't a piece of popcorn in the world that can elude me!  |
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